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di naman.. umaabot ng 70kbps ang dl speed ko sa torrent ko..  pero modified na yun sa preferences and booster pa... depende rin yata sa seeds ang speed
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balong_182 wrote:di naman.. umaabot ng 70kbps ang dl speed ko sa torrent ko.. pero modified na yun sa preferences and booster pa... depende rin yata sa seeds ang speed This is also a good point. Whoever said that settings in the PC need not change as time goes on will be stuck with the reality that things need to go forward. I have tweaked my Windows XP several times to be optimized for speed. But as time goes on, those settings also has to be changed depending on what happens with the line, the state of my equipment, and of course the sites that I go to, as well as how I use the internet.
We have to remember that settings are NOT permanent. If one worked for some time, don't expect that it will be for eternity.
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Mikos wrote:phi7588 wrote:^Sir I am not blaming the ISP. I'm just telling the problem to them. Naka port forward ako sir and everything's working fine nitong October lang talaga naging ganito. Healthy torrent with a lot of seeders since I am on a superb private torrent sites. Now sir pag nag 9AM na biglang hindi na lalagpas sa 40 kb/s. For example nagdodownload ako ng isang file sa torrent, 140kb/s siya then biglang babagal tapos hindi na makakalagpas ng 40kb/s. Check niyo to sir: Pinoydsl First question: I will disagree with the given proof of athenaxds. Sa sinabi pa lang niya na Bayan is throttling the bandwidth not within their network but outside the network mali na. How can you throttle something NOT WITHIN YOUR CONTROL? How can you throttle something outside your network? If he meant, throttling the incoming connections for torrent to the network, that will still be within the network of Bayan. You can control what goes in and out of the network but such controls will still be within the network. Hindi mo kasi pwedeng i-control yung nasa labas ng network mo since that will be left to the operators of that network.
Interpreting it again, he possibly meant that BayanDSL is limiting the connections from other networks. But then again, if that is the case, then how come I don't have problems exchanging files among friends who are users of PLDT and SmartBro? Take note, filesharing over the web is also a peer to peer connection. Throttle that of torrent, and you will also experience problems with other applications that uses the port that torrent applications use. And unless he is fully aware of the location of torrent seeders or servers, then I don't think his claim will stand. A single screenshot of a GUI will not prove anything, other than the speed of your torrent. There are still a lot of things to be considered.
Mikos Thanks for the clarification sir. I wonder kung may nilulutong speed upgrade ang bayandsl?
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phi7588 wrote:
Thanks for the clarification sir. I wonder kung may nilulutong speed upgrade ang bayandsl?
Well... Who knows... 
All I know is there are changes that BayanDSL is implementing. These are what we call growing pains...
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Yes growing pains like the hiccups. I guess changes are being made, hopefully for the better. :)
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Growing pain? Is that the reason sa pagbagal ng torrent?
26,000 seeds
12,000 peers
= 5-10kB/s with or without @SOD
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christarroja wrote:Growing pain? Is that the reason sa pagbagal ng torrent?
26,000 seeds
12,000 peers
= 5-10kB/s with or without @SOD I didn't conclusively say it is the cause for the torrent slow down. All I stated is that I know there are changes being done. It was a reply to one of the posts here and not even directed at the main topic. Other than that, it is what it is, face value wise.
Showing us the number of seeders and peers will not do any good. Take note that torrent also means you upload. As dnniwa pointed out before, a healthy uploader also gets healthy downloads. Other than that, there will still be a lot of factors to be taken into consideration.
With or without SOD, how is your speed (without the torrent application running)?
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This is something that I learned over the weekend while I was trying to improve my wireless signal in my room. I use a router... And I wanted to change the stock firmware. I have a Linksys WRT54G version 2.2 which should work on DD-WRT or Tomato firmware. In the process of trying to make DD-WRT work (it does work on my router, I just don't get enough of the results that I need... aka bitin) I chanced upon a few things regarding torrents.
While many abroad have tried port forwarding, and many stuff like that, there are occasions when the slow down begins... Some have attributed this to the memory of their routers, or their modems. I have also seen this on those who use the Tomato Firmware. Routers, and modems are like PCs... They have RAM. And as I have noticed in my router, the more open connections, the more it uses its RAM, basically to manage the connections.
While some may point that QoS will simply be enough, there is now a growing knowledge also that sometimes, that is not always the case. As many have port forwarded, even did QoS, and yet they still have issues with torrenting. They even tweaked their torrent clients. Only to find out later, that their routers, may not necessarily have enough memory to handle such a demand in the connection. Routers and modems are also like PCs. They have memory and processors. Load it too much and the connection will slow down. Torrents eat a huge amount of bandwidth as well as RAM on the router or modem (specially if the modem is set to router mode, you will get into trouble). Some changed the stock firmware amidst the risk that it might not work. Yet they found good results. I found it to be true in my case. My router is humming more efficiently now, even with friends who torrent via the wireless on occasions have noticed the change, since changing the DD-WRT firmware to Tomato, and noticing the available memory to be from mere 3.5Mb rise to almost 6Mb in the router. The connection went faster also. And I didn't have any upgrades done. Incidentally, my wireless PC is speeding like it is wired to the router... When my other PC is off, I get full bandwidth speed in the wireless, something that I don't enjoy with the stock firmware and with DD-WRT.
My point: sometimes it is NOT the ISP, but rather the equipment we have and how we use it. I decided to make my router better, it also made my connection better. As changes are being made around the world how servers attend to the demand, so must we change. Settings are never permanent. They change over time. Perhaps this is something that we all could look into.
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nag register talaga ko dito para mag vote ng OO, lately nawalan kami ng internet for two days, tumawag ako sa customer assistance and sabi nila naka down daw connection namin, aun after 1 day may dumating na tech, pinalitan ung box sa phone line. ayun ok na inernet pero after nun bumagal na torrent speeds ko, kahit maraming sources tinatanong ko mga kakilala ko, ganun din mga na eexperience nila sa Bayantel DSL nila Capped na ba torrents sa Bayantel? Kung hindi sana naman maayos to... BTW almost 1 month na ganito dito, tried all the guides/tweaks in the net, wala pa rin, kung modem man to bakit sabay sabay mga taong nakaka experience?  ok naman connection ko, bakit torrent speeds ko 5kb - 15kb lang kahit nka SOD? i wonder why...  plan 899 w/o sod
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juncleofas wrote:BTW almost 1 month na ganito dito, tried all the guides/tweaks in the net, wala pa rin, kung modem man to bakit sabay sabay mga taong nakaka experience? plan 899 w/o sod Not everyone knows the fact I posted earlier. Not everybody is aware that our routers are like PCs with their own RAM and that can be depleted. So still possible that everyone will experience the same problem. I don't get to experience it. Although I don't do torrents, just my friends who come over when their download cap with the other ISP is over that they come and visit.
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might aswell lumipat nalang kami ng ibang provider if this persist, di naman daw nag implement ng capping yung ibang ISP  , I also have read feedbacks in tipidpc forums ang dami din nakaka experience ng slow downloads. oh well
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juncleofas wrote:might aswell lumipat nalang kami ng ibang provider if this persist, di naman daw nag implement ng capping yung ibang ISP , I also have read feedbacks in tipidpc forums ang dami din nakaka experience ng slow downloads. oh well I know one ISP that has torrent caps. I just can't post it here. And it is not Bayan.
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i know that ISP too, and they recently denied it, probably because they value their customers i will give it another week or two, if this persist then goodbye Bayantel DSL, i doubt that wala na kayong capping, i'm slowly giving up.. parang lokohan na kasi, forgive me for whining, unbearable na kasi, ang dami ko na naging problem sa bayantel DSL, slow speeds, high ping, disconnections, and lately line poblems, im sure di lang ako naka experience nito Na-aayos nyo naman po, yun nga lang pagka ayos nyo, bagong issue nanaman, hahays 
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juncleofas wrote:i know that ISP too, and they recently denied it, probably because they value their customers i will give it another week or two, if this persist then goodbye Bayantel DSL, i give up parang lokohan na kasi, forgive me for whining, unbearable na kasi, ang dami ko na naging problem sa bayantel DSL, slow speeds, high ping, disconnections, im sure di lang ako naka experience nito Na-aayos nyo naman po yun nga lang pagka ayos nyo, bagong issue nanaman, hahays
They naturally will... But I saw the contract signed by my friend with them. And it is in the FINE print of their service agreement. I understand if you are whining. This is after all a service that we should all enjoy. I once was in your shoes. I just kept bugging Bayan till they got it fixed. Some issues are really hard to TS, and some take time. And as most of our fellow forumers that got their problems fixed, they will more often than not, advise na kulitin mo sila. Lalo na if you know it is not your PC that is causing it.
Some issues kasi may not even be related to the line itself. But issues like slow browse, disconnections, intermittent disconnections, high ping (if it is within their network (Bayan), the average in the Philippines for most ISPs is around 200-400ms unless there is a direct tunnel to the international destination, like in my previous work where all our servers are located in the US and yet we don't have any latency issues, and the connection is by Bayan) and many others are in the line, but there is a way to check. DSL is not a plug and play device. It takes a bit of learning as I have experienced. But the main thing that I liked about BayanDSL, they respond. That itself is very important. Other ISPs take ages, and most don't offer rebates. Kulitin mo lang po sila sir.
By the way, I am not from BayanDSL. I am also a subscriber like you. I just happen to be one of the Moderators here.
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mehhh I still seriously doubt na walang capping ang bayan, at SOD     Currently trying to download with SOD, Time: 12 am  lokohan? very unacceptable speed, considering the connection there are tons similar posts like this in other forums baka mauubos customer nyo pag tumagal pa yan bayan!
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Perhaps everybody should read this:
This is a portion of the wikipedia article on torrents. And I think Pinoys are really guilty of some of the No Nos for torrenting. One may refer to the article here.
For those who say there is a good ratio of seeders and peers... This is merely an FYI to those who don't understand torrents. After all the Forum is not just made up of torrenters.
The leech problem
A BitTorrent user may often choose to leave the swarm as soon as they have a complete copy of the file they are downloading, freeing up their outbound bandwidth for other uses. If enough users follow this pattern, torrent swarms gradually die out, meaning a lower possibility of obtaining older torrents. Some BitTorrent websites have attempted to address this by recording each user's download and upload ratio for all or just the user to see, as well as the provision of access to newer torrent files to people with better ratios. Users who have low upload ratios may see slower download speeds until they upload more. This prevents (statistical) leeching, since after a while they become unable to download at even a fraction of the theoretical bandwidth of their connection. Some trackers exempt dial-up users from this policy, because their uploading capabilities are limited.
[edit] The cheater problem
There are "cheating" clients like BitThief which claim to be able to download without uploading. Such exploitation negatively affects the cooperative nature of the BitTorrent protocol, although it might prove useful for people in countries where uploading copyrighted material is illegal, but downloading is not.
Some countries also have exorbitant bandwidth prices, and in those countries, torrent users tend to minimize sharing.
[edit] Speed
Average BitTorrent download speed is limited by the combined average upload speed of "leeches" (other nodes with partial copies which are also downloading) and "seeds" (complete copies that are only uploading). BitTorrent clients are often on asymmetrical Internet connections, with much higher download than upload speeds. Since a large number of low-capacity uploaders are necessary to support one high-capacity downloader, a high proportion of clients must be seeds (not burdening other clients) in order to reach the download speed of a single high-capacity uploader (e.g. a server on a business-quality symmetric Internet connection). Thus there can be a tradeoff between speed and bandwidth equity. If all clients are on symmetrical connections, this is not an issue.
Dnniwa and other Forumers do have a point.
And the following (also from the same article):
CableLabs, the research organization of the North American cable industry, estimates that BitTorrent represents 18% of all broadband traffic.[17] In 2004, CacheLogic put that number at roughly 35% of all traffic on the Internet.[18] The discrepancies in these numbers are caused by differences in the method used to measure P2P traffic on the Internet.[19]
Routers that use NAT, Network address translation, must maintain tables of source and destination IP addresses and ports. Typical home routers are limited to about 2000 table entries while some more expensive routers have larger table capacities. BitTorrent frequently contacts 300-500 servers per second rapidly filling the NAT tables. This is a common cause of home routers locking up.[
And then on throttling and why some ISPs all over the world do it also from the same article:
Since BitTorrent makes up a large proportion of total traffic, some ISPs have chosen to throttle (slow down) BitTorrent transfers to ensure network capacity remains available for other uses. For this reason, methods have been developed to disguise BitTorrent traffic in an attempt to thwart these efforts.
My point: torrent downloaders are not the ONLY subscribers. If any ISP sees that it can potentially cause issues with other subscribers, then by all means, it has to do something, and this is perfectly legal. Other ISPs has done that, specially in the US. Feel lucky that some ISPs in the Philippines has not even started. But eventually, if the trend goes like this, chances are almost every ISP in the world might just have a cap on torrent traffic. And if that happens, then I suggest to those who don't like capping, roam the world and find the ISP the eventually will not. As we speak, US ISPs are already placing a cap on their bandwidth for DSL and other broad band applications. I am just wondering what people in the Philippines will start saying against their very own ISPs when that catches up here. Chances are all ISPs will end up with harsh words and people will fly hitherto titherto.
Please do not misconstrue this as Bayan capping the torrents. that confirmation will have to come from the Bayan Moderators, and not from me. But till they confirm it to me, since I asked them already, I still say, they are not capping it. I got the same answer from my trusted friends who work for Bayan also. This is just an FYI to noobs containing some stuff on torrents and its issues and some opinions that people may or may not accept... Also just my 2 cents worth.
And lastly, since every torrenter has a torrent client, you might as well compare it with the other available clients out there... You can find that info here: Comparison of BitTorrent clients
I suggest, learn the stuff.
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juncleofas wrote:mehhh I still seriously doubt na walang capping ang bayan, at SOD Currently trying to download with SOD, Time: 12 am lokohan? very unacceptable speed, considering the connection there are tons similar posts like this in other forums baka mauubos customer nyo pag tumagal pa yan bayan! I will not wonder if you have low speedtest results from www.speedtest.net. Running torrents while doing a speedtest is A BIG NO NO for testing the connection. It would be natural for the speedtest to drop since your torrent is already using up the bandwidth. Although I am not saying that this is the cause of the problem for your low torrent downloads. I am merely saying to NEVER test the connection while a torrent client is downloading as the result will not be accurate.
As for the second speedtest result, why use a server in New York? Ang layo nun. Natural ang baba ng result mo. Kaya nga ISPs maintain their own speed test servers to eliminate issues with internetworking and distance issues.
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uo ang torrent depende tlaga sa seeders
and nag DL ng torrent na un
mas mraming nag DDL edi mas mbliz
xempre kaylangan din ng leechers...
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Mikos wrote:juncleofas wrote:mehhh I still seriously doubt na walang capping ang bayan, at SOD Currently trying to download with SOD, Time: 12 am lokohan? very unacceptable speed, considering the connection there are tons similar posts like this in other forums baka mauubos customer nyo pag tumagal pa yan bayan! I will not wonder if you have low speedtest results from www.speedtest.net. Running torrents while doing a speedtest is A BIG NO NO for testing the connection. It would be natural for the speedtest to drop since your torrent is already using up the bandwidth. Although I am not saying that this is the cause of the problem for your low torrent downloads. I am merely saying to NEVER test the connection while a torrent client is downloading as the result will not be accurate.
As for the second speedtest result, why use a server in New York? Ang layo nun. Natural ang baba ng result mo. Kaya nga ISPs maintain their own speed test servers to eliminate issues with internetworking and distance issues.
Mikos NO i didnt RUN torrents while doing a speedtest, and I tested for NY because basehan ko un ng DL Speed ko and for the ratio, FULLSPEED na nakukuha ko nyan dati nung bagong kabit bayanDSL namin last last year i know how p2p works and i've been using utorrent since last year ngayon ko lang naexperience to, 50 seeds and 40 peers is merely enought to get full speed, dati... btw majority ng customers nyo nagtotorrent, i'm sick of reading justifications on speeds, kung ano anong bs sinasabi nyo, nasa customers na nga ang pruweba, read in TPC FORUMS, baka sumakit ulo ng bayan sa kakabasa ng reklamo about sa speeds, might aswell terminate my subscription and find a better alternative, goodluck bayanDSL ano bayan...
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juncleofas wrote:NO i didnt RUN torrents while doing a speedtest, and I tested for NY because basehan ko un ng DL Speed ko
and for the ratio, FULLSPEED na nakukuha ko nyan dati nung bagong kabit bayanDSL namin last year
i know how p2p works and i've been using utorrent since last year ngayon ko lang naexperience to,
50 seeds and 40 peers is merely enought to get full speed, dati...
btw majority ng customers nyo nagtotorrent,
i'm sick of reading justifications on speeds, kung ano anong bs sinasabi nyo, nasa customers na nga ang pruweba, read in TPC FORUMS, baka sumakit ulo ng bayan sa kakabasa ng reklamo about sa speeds,
might aswell terminate my subscription and find a better alternative, goodluck bayanDSL
ano bayan... Wow... Do you have to use "BS"... Hellow!!! I am a fellow subscriber like you. And if you are in your right mind, albeit and educated one, you won't even do that, even if it is not directed at me. But I am pretty sure, educated people won't even do that. Was that even necessary? Sumimple ka pa.
I didn't say you don't know how P2P works. Now why do you think I replied like that to your post? Well... Malay ko ba kung nagdadownload ka while running the test. You didn't say that in your post. This is a Forum and if you don't want people to misinterpret your post, you have to be specific about it.
You are NOT in a position to tell everyone that majority of Bayan's customers are torrenters, unless you have the data to back that up, and unless you are from BayanDSL who knows the figures of BayanDSL's customer composition and internet habits. And having friends that do torrents or neighbors who are Bayan subscribers doesn't necessarily mean that the subscriber based are basically torrenters. It just so happens many people who are active in the Forum are into torrents also. Then again, Forumers are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the over all subscriber base. Again, unless you have the data, then that is the time you claim that.
I was not justifying the speeds. Just because one application doesn't work well doesn't mean your line is already broken. You are getting the correct speed. So where is the justification there? And going further, what I provided you is a basic troubleshooting FYI that is done by a lot of ISPs. Unless you know any better than those ISPs then you might as well share with everyone here what you know.
As for the Forums, well, I have observed those who complain here are also the very same ones who complain the same in the Forums that I belong to. And natural, san ka naman nakakita ng Forums na walang reklamo ang mga tao... I am not saying that there is no problem since people are experiencing it. Although for you to say this: "kung ano anong bs sinasabi nyo, nasa customers na nga ang pruweba" is a little off. Pwede naman magcomplain ng walang pasimpleng mura involved di ba?
Servers all over the world change over time. Nothing is permanent. While the ratio of seeds to peers are taken into account, I guess trackers do check also who seeds after downloading. The notoriety is that many stop seeding when their intended downloads has been done. Torrents is about sharing. And if I am a tracker and I happen to notice that some peers do not seed enough long after they have downloaded what they wanted, then I will restrict their downloads to the point that they will get pissed. I am not saying you are doing that. I am merely pointing out a possibility since torrents have become overly popular in the world (but not for me) a form of control has been considered.
If you terminate the subscription, well Sir, that is completely up to you. Everyone has the right to do what he so wishes with his connection. All I can say is, most ISPs already out there have been placing caps on their torrents. This is the main reason why some of my friends travel all the way to my place just to do that or to leave their lappies at home to download stuff (which can be very irritating since torrents cause a lot of latency on the line specially if you run a home network). If you want an alternative, then that is your choice, your right, your decision...
And sir, like I said, I am NOT from Bayan. So why argue with me? For the life of me, I am not even defending Bayan, it just so happens that they have not confirmed anything, and my friends have not experienced the problem either. As we say in Philosophy, if a claim can be falsified, then the claim doesn't stand. In this case since not everyone experiences it, then why are we to say there is capping? The problem is somewhere. And I am certain Bayan is checking that out.
Just my two cents worth. Take it or leave... As far as I know, the moderators are doing their best to help people who help themselves.
Mikos
FLAMERS shall be severely sanctioned!!!
Please lang MATINONG TANONG LANG SANA ANG ITANONG instead of NONSENSE ONES. The Forum is NOT an Online Technical Support.
For your DSL/Phone concerns please call the hot lines FIRST before posting it in the Forum.
This includes requests for port resets, DSL connection footprints (ATT and SNRs), requests for technicians and repairs.
Please read the Bayan Forum Rules. If the post is in size 6 or big sized font, it means I am addressing you as a moderator. If the post is in the default size, it means I am Mikos the plain subscriber. Bayan Forum Rules
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