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shemai wrote:/sigh the lag is definitely back :( - but it is peculiar that during holy week, the lag was gone temporarily. can't help but speculate about congested lines.....  it could be possible na dahil walang offices sa holy week ~
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LeV wrote:shemai wrote:/sigh the lag is definitely back :( - but it is peculiar that during holy week, the lag was gone temporarily. can't help but speculate about congested lines..... it could be possible na dahil walang offices sa holy week ~ at maraming nag out of town :P
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jruz wrote:LeV wrote:shemai wrote:/sigh the lag is definitely back :( - but it is peculiar that during holy week, the lag was gone temporarily. can't help but speculate about congested lines..... it could be possible na dahil walang offices sa holy week ~ at maraming nag out of town :P Was it that many? It lends greater credence to the congestion theory. Wala rin ako lag during holy week (one of the few who didn't join the mass exodus). I thought the problem was solved, but it was aggravated and compounded (things got worse, latency wise...much worse) right after holy week. What would account for the difference? Or is it also coincidental to something happening in the APCN2 lines? Possible, but the time window of lag free days during holy week has me thinking unlikely. Perhaps this should be something pointed out and followed up with? UPDATEThat is one long tracert. Why is Australia involved? Didn't the old connection allow us to connect to Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, then the US? Have we been moved to a VASTLY different route? I was doing a tracert from my current ip to server Jubei'Thos ip. >__> 
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/golfclap to bayandsl. sheesh, can't even do dailies anymore. so essentially as of now (or until the problem's fixed, if and when will that ever take place, i won't even try to speculate) you have to stay up late, at around midnight to 1am just so latency would go down to around 500-700ms and be able to play and do heroics, dailies, or lvl up your toons. when you go on raids the latency goes up to 1k instantly upon entering the instance, and that's at around 2am already.
last weekend it was just terrible. latency was 1k the whole day, even in the evening. so what'll happen now? the people at the tech support line doesn't have nay idea at all re what's happening, and even if we get angry at them it'll do no good as they don't know what else to do but to restart the modem and reassure us that the technicians will do something about the problem. so what happens now? nakakainis lang pag maglalaro ka nang puro lag at parang may 2-3 second delay sa bawat galaw mo. o sikat na ngayon ang maglaro nang slow-motion.
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not only wow is lagging, try downloading from file sharing sites and streaming video sites such as megavideo and ninjavideo. all were fine during the holy week but are crappy now. and why does the ping improve during the wee hours of 1am onwards...perhaps people are asleep = no line congestion. i mean come on think about it....  i hope i am definitely wrong about this and it just so happens that the cables are damaged again EXACTLY AFTER holy week. wew such coincidence.......
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it's clear that people are in a tight bind because of the lag and connectivity issue. for users like me, i'm stuck with this connection until july, by which time i can switch to another company that can (hopefully) provide me with better speed and connection. on the other hand, people complaining about the latency issues with wow (and slow connection speeds for video-streaming, downloads, etc.) can't really complain about anything because, as the people at the tech support hotline will tell us, the connection's stable and there's really nothing wrong with it. in short, their only concern seems to be in providing us with any kind of connection at all, regardless of its speed or usefulness to us.
just my 2 cent's worth of opinion regarding the whole issue. nakakainis lang na gusto mo mag-wow pero hindi kaya dahil useless yung connection speed at ang taas nung latency.
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It figures, we might still be on the routes I posted before. Remember I posted before that our connections will be routed via Malaysia - Thailand or Indonesia - Australia due to the problems with the cables? That would explain why Australia is involved here. Nice post internetboss. Pretty good visual illustration where our connection goes thru.InternetBoss wrote:jruz wrote:LeV wrote:shemai wrote:/sigh the lag is definitely back :( - but it is peculiar that during holy week, the lag was gone temporarily. can't help but speculate about congested lines..... it could be possible na dahil walang offices sa holy week ~ at maraming nag out of town :P Was it that many? It lends greater credence to the congestion theory. Wala rin ako lag during holy week (one of the few who didn't join the mass exodus). I thought the problem was solved, but it was aggravated and compounded (things got worse, latency wise...much worse) right after holy week. What would account for the difference? Or is it also coincidental to something happening in the APCN2 lines? Possible, but the time window of lag free days during holy week has me thinking unlikely. Perhaps this should be something pointed out and followed up with? UPDATEThat is one long tracert. Why is Australia involved? Didn't the old connection allow us to connect to Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, then the US? Have we been moved to a VASTLY different route? I was doing a tracert from my current ip to server Jubei'Thos ip. >__>
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Thanks. If we were re-routed via Malaysia, Thailand or Indonesia - Australia, wasn't that due to the repairs being made in the old route? I heard about that new Unity Cable system and that its supposedly fully functional and all the other bells and whistles. Do Bayan routes connect through that? If so, don't you think it's time maybe we were re-routed once more, preferably a much shorter route to the US?) (I think Philippines - Honkong - Taiwan - Japan - Unity Cable - US?)
Well, I realize you're a forum mod, and not the technical guy in charge of such decisions >.> But perhaps you could ask on our behalf? Baka kasi mamaya tapos na pala repairs, etc tapos nakalimutan ibalik ang dating route. >_> Just sayin'.
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On further thought, my latencies been somewhat 700-1000ms on average. Looking at that map and seeing redundancies in distance (not counting the US redundancies), I hypothesize the current route we are all on takes twice the time to travel to WoW servers, hence the lag. If 700/2 and 1000/2 respectively, I'm looking at 350ms - 500ms. That is where we used to be.
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I will try to check on them regarding this one. I have been busy lately with a few things hence my presence in the Forum being erratic. Anyhow, I will provide a feedback as soon as I get word about that. Thanks for posting the observation.
As for me being just a Forum Mod, you are right on that. My function is just limited to the Forum itself. But with regards to many things regarding the connection, it is still Bayan that does everything. I will try, however, to suggest it to the Bayan Moderators and see what they will come up with.InternetBoss wrote:Thanks. If we were re-routed via Malaysia, Thailand or Indonesia - Australia, wasn't that due to the repairs being made in the old route? I heard about that new Unity Cable system and that its supposedly fully functional and all the other bells and whistles. Do Bayan routes connect through that? If so, don't you think it's time maybe we were re-routed once more, preferably a much shorter route to the US?) (I think Philippines - Honkong - Taiwan - Japan - Unity Cable - US?)
Well, I realize you're a forum mod, and not the technical guy in charge of such decisions >.> But perhaps you could ask on our behalf? Baka kasi mamaya tapos na pala repairs, etc tapos nakalimutan ibalik ang dating route. >_> Just sayin'.
UPDATE
On further thought, my latencies been somewhat 700-1000ms on average. Looking at that map and seeing redundancies in distance (not counting the US redundancies), I hypothesize the current route we are all on takes twice the time to travel to WoW servers, hence the lag. If 700/2 and 1000/2 respectively, I'm looking at 350ms - 500ms. That is where we used to be.
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Tracert ko ngayon umaga. around 350~400ms sa Heroics Dungeon
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Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
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C:\Users\Jay>tracert 12.129.225.72
Tracing route to 12-129-225-72.attens.net [12.129.225.72]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 10 ms 7 ms 7 ms 121.96.128.1.bti.net.ph [121.96.128.1]
3 9 ms 7 ms 8 ms 121.96.0.138.BTI.NET.PH [121.96.0.138]
4 8 ms 8 ms 7 ms 121.96.0.138.BTI.NET.PH [121.96.0.138]
5 8 ms 8 ms 9 ms 121.96.1.106.BTI.NET.PH [121.96.1.106]
6 8 ms 8 ms 7 ms 202.78.119.1
7 210 ms 210 ms 210 ms 12.119.139.13
8 221 ms 222 ms 222 ms cr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.137.66]
9 220 ms 220 ms 220 ms cr1.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.3.122]
10 221 ms 221 ms 221 ms cr83.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.123.30.109]
11 218 ms 219 ms 218 ms gar5.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.128.25]
12 221 ms 219 ms 219 ms 12.122.255.74
13 220 ms 220 ms 220 ms 12.129.193.242
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Sana tuloy tuloy na to
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so far so good since monday,
naka raid na ulit after a looooooooooooooooong time.
bakit sa inyo hindi pa ayos?
EDIT:
whole week na tong ganito saken.
Tracing route to 12.129.233.63 over a maximum of 12 hops
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 121.97.74.170.bti.net.ph [121.97.74.170]
3 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms s32.lvlup3.bt-ix.bti.net.ph [202.78.96.221]
4 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms s32.lvlup3.bt-ix.bti.net.ph [202.78.96.221]
5 10 ms 10 ms 9 ms 202.78.119.1
6 168 ms 168 ms 168 ms 12.119.139.13
7 182 ms 182 ms 183 ms cr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.137.70]
8 181 ms 183 ms 182 ms cr1.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.3.122]
9 182 ms 182 ms 182 ms cr83.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.123.30.109]
10 180 ms 180 ms 181 ms gar5.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.128.25]
11 181 ms 183 ms 180 ms 12.122.255.74
12 181 ms 181 ms 181 ms mdf001c7613r0004-gig-12-1.lax1.attens.net [12.129.193.246]
Trace complete.
takte baka naman mmya sira nanaman dahil sinabing kong ayus na saken at hindi pa yung sa inyo
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loltron wrote:so far so good since monday,
naka raid na ulit after a looooooooooooooooong time.
bakit sa inyo hindi pa ayos?
EDIT:
whole week na tong ganito saken.
Tracing route to 12.129.233.63 over a maximum of 12 hops
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 121.97.74.170.bti.net.ph [121.97.74.170]
3 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms s32.lvlup3.bt-ix.bti.net.ph [202.78.96.221]
4 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms s32.lvlup3.bt-ix.bti.net.ph [202.78.96.221]
5 10 ms 10 ms 9 ms 202.78.119.1
6 168 ms 168 ms 168 ms 12.119.139.13
7 182 ms 182 ms 183 ms cr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.137.70]
8 181 ms 183 ms 182 ms cr1.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.3.122]
9 182 ms 182 ms 182 ms cr83.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.123.30.109]
10 180 ms 180 ms 181 ms gar5.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.128.25]
11 181 ms 183 ms 180 ms 12.122.255.74
12 181 ms 181 ms 181 ms mdf001c7613r0004-gig-12-1.lax1.attens.net [12.129.193.246]
Trace complete.
takte baka naman mmya sira nanaman dahil sinabing kong ayus na saken at hindi pa yung sa inyo
>:) wahaha ganun nangyari sakin, bumalik ang sumpa
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loltron wrote:so far so good since monday,
naka raid na ulit after a looooooooooooooooong time.
bakit sa inyo hindi pa ayos?
EDIT:
whole week na tong ganito saken.
Tracing route to 12.129.233.63 over a maximum of 12 hops
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 121.97.74.170.bti.net.ph [121.97.74.170]
3 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms s32.lvlup3.bt-ix.bti.net.ph [202.78.96.221]
4 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms s32.lvlup3.bt-ix.bti.net.ph [202.78.96.221]
5 10 ms 10 ms 9 ms 202.78.119.1
6 168 ms 168 ms 168 ms 12.119.139.13
7 182 ms 182 ms 183 ms cr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.137.70]
8 181 ms 183 ms 182 ms cr1.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.3.122]
9 182 ms 182 ms 182 ms cr83.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.123.30.109]
10 180 ms 180 ms 181 ms gar5.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.128.25]
11 181 ms 183 ms 180 ms 12.122.255.74
12 181 ms 181 ms 181 ms mdf001c7613r0004-gig-12-1.lax1.attens.net [12.129.193.246]
Trace complete.
takte baka naman mmya sira nanaman dahil sinabing kong ayus na saken at hindi pa yung sa inyo
>:) I envy you. But at least it gives some measure of hope. I'll post my tracerts later tonight and tomorrow morning. Usually I get 390-410 values starting from the 6th hop. Nakarouter ka pa >.> Nag direct connection ako this week. UPDATE Well >.> obviously I don't have your kind of luck. Taken 634 PM, April 16. I'll take an early morning shot tomorrow.
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I also noticed the improvement in terms of the downloads. I did have improved latencies also for the past few days. Since I do not use the proxy, any fluctuation can easily be observed on my end. I guess Bayan is doing some things on their end. Let us just hope and pray.
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Hay nako, ano ba to kadadating ko lang sa bahay eto na ulit mataas na ang latency
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Tracing route to 12-129-225-72.attens.net [12.129.225.72]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 8 ms 9 ms 9 ms 202.78.96.45
3 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms 202.78.97.157
4 7 ms 8 ms 8 ms 121.96.1.106.BTI.NET.PH [121.96.1.106]
5 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms 202.78.119.1
6 388 ms 385 ms 386 ms 12.119.139.13
7 400 ms * 403 ms cr1.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.137.70]
8 395 ms * 400 ms cr1.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.3.122]
9 400 ms 395 ms 398 ms cr83.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.123.30.109]
10 405 ms 402 ms 402 ms gar5.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.128.25]
11 399 ms 395 ms 401 ms 12.122.255.74
12 399 ms 399 ms 397 ms 12.129.193.246
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balik 700ms ~ 1k ms ang latency.
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one thing i noticed is that our latencies vary depending on the server we our connected with. in loltron's case, he was connected to 121.97.74.170.bti.net.ph [121.97.74.170]. i had the same with jruz's tracert. i cant help but think that some servers suck more than others, and this is unfair because we are all paying customers and we need to be treated equally.
is it possible to be rerouted to loltron's bayantel server?
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shemai wrote:one thing i noticed is that our latencies vary depending on the server we our connected with. in loltron's case, he was connected to 121.97.74.170.bti.net.ph [121.97.74.170]. i had the same with jruz's tracert. i cant help but think that some servers suck more than others, and this is unfair because we are all paying customers and we need to be treated equally.
is it possible to be rerouted to loltron's bayantel server? ^ This. Good observation. Maybe there IS something that can be done on Bayan's end. <cross fingers>.
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here's my tracert to a MU server i play (located at netherlands based on visual tracert) C:\Documents and Settings\JPS>tracert 213.189.9.250 -h 15 Tracing route to 213.189.9.250 over a maximum of 15 hops 1 19 ms 15 ms 15 ms 202.78.96.58 2 31 ms 31 ms 31 ms 121.96.0.218.BTI.NET.PH [121.96.0.218] 3 31 ms 31 ms 31 ms 121.96.0.218.BTI.NET.PH [121.96.0.218] 4 31 ms 31 ms 30 ms 121.96.1.105.bti.net.ph [121.96.1.105] 5 31 ms 31 ms 29 ms 202.78.119.9 6 265 ms 265 ms 265 ms GE-1-0-2.GW6.MNL1.asianetcom.net [203.192.155.17 3] 7 281 ms 265 ms 281 ms po1-2-3.cr1.nrt1.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.169] 8 265 ms 265 ms 265 ms po7-0-0.gw1.sjc1.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.34] 9 281 ms 281 ms 281 ms 208.178.245.9 10 437 ms 421 ms 421 ms tengig-1-2-0.bcr1.ams02.nl.reasonnet.com [64.208 .17.206] 11 468 ms 468 ms 452 ms 10ge-1-4-115.bb1-ams.reasonnet.com [213.247.40.6 ] 12 453 ms 468 ms 452 ms 10ge-1-1-919.edge2-ams.reasonnet.com [89.30.133. 58] 13 421 ms 452 ms 452 ms 89.30.132.70 14 * * * Request timed out. 15 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. i cannot participate in any pvp events from 10am-12:am since i experience lag. bad gaming experience tlaga>.<
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lol wala na to pag asa ... d man lang ako maka lakad sa game puro disconnect -_-
nag start ako ng 7am hangang ngaun (8:30) d padin ako tumatagal sa loob ng game ng 1min :(
grabe naman to mauubus na load ko sa WoW hindi padin ako nakakalaru ng matino
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been suffering from frequent disconnections since friday, lagi na lang dc every 10-20mins or so. kahit sa web browsing ganun din. worse, pag stable connection naman high latency naman. tried playing at 4am, saturday, nibigla ako na 1k ms ang best latency, surprising unless marami rin naglalaro nang wow at that time hehe.
anyways, umaangal lang ako. called tech support pero restart lang ginawa and nagpadala nang technician dito para tignan yung line at palitan yung modem. same thing pa rin, frequent dc and high latency.
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