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Account #: 332673556 Modem connected to router I just browse the bayantel website & bump into the new DSL plan rates... http://www.bayan.com.ph/lolatechie/images/mm0528.jpgI am currently using a 1.2mbs @ Php1699... It seems that i've been paying more for what im am subscribing, since the much higher speed (1.5mbps) on the new rates is Php200 cheaper...!  I have spoken with a BayanDSL tech support, & was informed that to avail the new rates i need to downgrade/upgrade my account... I have checked the forums & read that if old subscribers does not downgrade/upgrade, old rates/speed still applies... duh... Is this not a scam...? If I have not been lurking around the bayantel site, i would have not known this... As read the new rates was already effective last March 15, 2010... For 3 months, I am paying more for less speed... Subscribers please inform others regarding this...
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Wow... You are pretty fast in terms of making outright statements.
Unfortunately, this is NOT a scam. I am on Plan 1699 before and I availed of the new rates. So where is the scam there?
Mister RougedAssassin, if this is a scam then the practice of not immediately applying the new rates when new products do come out, then everyone in the world has been scammed. In the US and anywhere for that purpose, when a new product is released and current subscribers do not avail of it, the ISP is in no obligation to use them for their existing subscribers. The subscriber has to make the request since they are the ones paying their subscription. Nasa batas yan. Pag immediately ginawa ni BayanDSL na gamitin yung rates, pwede sila mademanda ng subscriber in return by simply stating that they did not request for such changes. So better be careful of the words you use, much less in making allegations.
It is always moot and academic that when a new set of products are introduced, subscribers should avail of it. However, whether the ISP immediately migrates all their subscribers to the new products, this is NOT automatically done as the ISP cannot do that due to legal reasons. Better do your research before saying anything is a scam as clearly you do not know how the industry nor how the business runs.
Do not worry, the subscribers are well aware of it and they understood. It seems you are the only who does not.RougedAssassin wrote:Account #: 332673556 Modem connected to router I just browse the bayantel website & bump into the new DSL plan rates... http://www.bayan.com.ph/lolatechie/images/mm0528.jpgI am currently using a 1.2mbs @ Php1699... It seems that i've been paying more for what im am subscribing, since the much higher speed (1.5mbps) on the new rates is Php200 cheaper...! I have spoken with a BayanDSL tech support, & was informed that to avail the new rates i need to downgrade/upgrade my account... I have checked the forums & read that if old subscribers does not downgrade/upgrade, old rates/speed still applies... duh... Is this not a scam...? If I have not been lurking around the bayantel site, i would have not known this... As read the new rates was already effective last March 15, 2010... For 3 months, I am paying more for less speed... Subscribers please inform others regarding this...
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So you're saying that if subscribers do not avail of the new rates its ok to pay more for less...?
I think not.
Its simply a rip-off, isn't rip-off a type of scam...? There's always a hidden agenda somewhere... Business is business!
Does Bayan have a program for old subscriber? Or they just say, you did not avail, sorry...
Its good to hear that subscribers are aware of this, im just not lucky that I was not.
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RougedAssassin wrote:So you're saying that if subscribers do not avail of the new rates its ok to pay more for less...?
I think not.
Its simply a rip-off, isn't rip-off a type of scam...? There's always a hidden agenda somewhere... Business is business!
Does Bayan have a program for old subscriber? Or they just say, you did not avail, sorry...
Its good to hear that subscribers are aware of this, im just not lucky that I was not. As far as I know the new rates are announced thru your statement of accounts, it is also in the new leaflets given in any Bayan Centers, and also in Bayan's website. Inquiries thru DSL hotline is also free.
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@rougeassassin
this is very typical for people that don't know the LEGAL TERMS.
heard of the saying "IGNORANCE IS A BLISS"
@mods
I just want to ask so if I take avail of the new rate plan my phone bill would go down as well right?
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I just want to ask so if I take avail of the new rate plan my phone bill would go down as well right?
for new bundled phone+dsl account,phone will get a discount from basic plan 499 into 300 or premium plan(caller id, call waiting, speed dialing, call forwarding, 3-way calling) 749 into 450
for existing bundled phone+dsl account,phone rate will retain: basic phone+dsl package is still 300 while premium phone +dsl package is still 450 as well
Plan Scheme:
New Rate: DSL plan999(up to 1mbps - up to 1.5mpbs)+basic phone300 =1299
Old Rate: DSL plan1699(up to 1.2mbps - up to 1.5mbps)+basic phone300 = 1999
New Rate: DSL plan999(up to 1mbps - up to 1.5mpbs)+premium phone450 =1449
Old Rate: DSL plan1699(up to 1.2mbps - up to 1.5mbps)+premium phone450 = 2149
OMG
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Very well said neokrypto 
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RougedAssassin, you got my post completely wrong. In fact, my reply to you recognizes the inherent right of the subscriber found in the law. Please read the following as this justifies my response to you. Do take into context the point being made where it is appropriate.
Any company offering any services to the public CANNOT change the plans of their subscribers when they introduce new products with new rates. It is only the subscriber that has the RIGHT to initiate the migration from the old plans into any of the new set of plans offered by the company since they are the ones paying for their subscription. Regardless of whether the rates are higher or lower, it is ONLY THE SUBSCRIBER (all caps for emphasis) that has the right to initiate the changes. If an ISP decides to migrate all their subscribers to the new plans automatically, this is done ONLY after all of their subscribers are informed thru advertisements, letters (included in the bill) and other media deemed appropriate in the law.
An example is what Mod Notroublefound gave in his reply. At the end of the day, just because you do not know how things work, you can immediately call it a scam. Better be careful with the words you use.RougedAssassin wrote:So you're saying that if subscribers do not avail of the new rates its ok to pay more for less...?
I think not.
Its simply a rip-off, isn't rip-off a type of scam...? There's always a hidden agenda somewhere... Business is business!
Does Bayan have a program for old subscriber? Or they just say, you did not avail, sorry...
Its good to hear that subscribers are aware of this, im just not lucky that I was not.
I am sorry if I have to add this. I feel the need to explain the difference between a rip off, a scam, and the situation you are in as there is an obvious flaw in the reasoning involved stemming from the interpretation of the subject matter at hand. I feel the need to do this to educate other Forumers reading this section. Please note this is not an official word coming from BayanDSL but rather from a moderator of the Forum, who happens to be a subscriber also.
First a definition of terms:
Rip Off: is a bad financial transaction. Usually it refers to an incident in which a person overpays for something (Wikipedia article, Rip Off). Rip off also means it is a fake, or a copy of an original. Rip off also synonymous to a scam, but its meaning must also be taken into context.
Scam: involves wrongdoing such as fraud (ibid)
Let us analyze. You stated:RougedAssassin wrote:So you're saying that if subscribers do not avail of the new rates its ok to pay more for less...?
I think not.
Its simply a rip-off, isn't rip-off a type of scam...? There's always a hidden agenda somewhere... First clarification: I did not say that it is ok for the subscriber to pay more. I am simply stated that it is the inherent right of the subscriber to make changes in his subscription. A right that any company has to respect. And that is what has been done by BayanDSL in my experience. This is more or less what is being done also in general. There is a big difference between saying "it is ok for a subscriber to pay more" versus to say "it is the right of the subscriber to make changes." Any educated person knows the difference.
Second clarification: Where is the rip off? This is where your interpretation becomes flawed.
Just because someone over pays does not mean it is already a rip off. Remember, when we signed up for the service, we agreed to pay for the service at the prevailing service rates, at the current time the contract has been signed between us and the ISP. This is in effect all throughout until the contract has been mutually changed by both parties involved. I will not go into the other details as this is not a legal discussion. Thus, in this situation where there is a new set of plans at lower rates, does this become a rip off if the ISP does not immediately effect the changes for all its subscriber or migrates all their subscribers to the new rates? No it is not a rip off. Why? Remember we signed a contract. The ISP cannot immediately migrate us to the new rates automatically unless we request it. This is merely respecting the rights of the existing subscriber. The ISP offering a new set of products, existing subscriber avails of it, thus a new contract is drawn and the old one terminated. Of course there are acceptable methods to do this, like an authorized representative of the subscriber calling the ISP.
In the new set of plans there are qualifications as to when an existing subscriber can avail of the new plans. Such qualifications must first be met prior to migrating the existing subscriber into the new plans, as migrating into the new plans requires another lock in period of one year. Kaya nga decision ni subscriber iyon kung magpapalipat siya o hindi as a new agreement will be drawn between the subscriber and the ISP. What if the subscriber decides to pay more because s/he will only be using the internet for the next 3 months or so due to his situation, say he might be leaving the country for example? Will this be a rip off? Again it will not be since he does not need to be tied to another one year lock in period when his needs are only limited to just 3 months or so, giving him the chance to have it terminated for one reason or the other. Respecting the rights of the subscriber here allows the subscriber to do what he so wishes with his subscription in accordance with the law. So again, where is the rip off? It all depends on the subscriber and his needs.
FYI, you don't have to be a lawyer to understand this. Just plain logic will suffice.
So again, where is the rip off here? Respecting the right of the subscriber is not a rip off.
Let us tackle scam. Where is fraud? Sir can you prove it? I do not see any fraud here since they have had advertisements, they even included leaflets in their mailers (bill), and other media (like the forum), announcing their new products and their rates. There are qualifications about as to who can avail the new rates. Aka, it was opened to the public. Hence, where is the scam? I availed of it. Friends of mine availed it.
Fraud is a necessity for a scam to be said to have been committed. I do not think BayanDSL have failed in this aspect as I have seen their mailers, their website, I have seen it here announced in the forum, etc. So where is the fraud being committed there. BayanDSL will not be releasing new products without the product themselves going through the legal process. So may I respectfully ask, Sir where is the fraud committed for it to be said that there is a scam?
Interpretation is always a subjective endeavor. This is where the flaw can usually happen. We have to be careful how we label things as being a rip off, a scam, or frauid, as these are words derogatory in nature. It would be wise if we get to know how the business or the industry generally runs even before make such comments.
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OP...there is no scam or fraud.
Mikos hit it right on the head with his last post. but out of his entire post this is the one and only line that is important.
"Remember we signed a contract"
And that's exactly why Bayantel will not, and even if they wanted to, COULD NOT change you plan pricing....because of the contract between you and their entity as far as your subscription is concerned. For the change to happen, both parties of the contract must agree. Now bayantel agreed by advertising the change in their plans. Now it's your turn to agree by calling them and telling them you want the new pricing plan.
Im no contract lawyer...but c'mon...lets have some common sense. we as adults deal with contracts in one way, shape or form daily. I bet you you wouldn't be rasing all the ruckus you're making it it was the other way around. Don't go blaming other people because were not paying attention to any promotions or changes that bayantel offers.
Yung asawa ko dyan sa pilipinas, we use their bayantel span service. but every couple of months, i check bayantel's website to see if there's anything new they are offering. kaya kahit wala ako dyan sa Pilipinas, alam ko mga prices ng services ng Bayantel. Do the leg work and research so you don't feel like you're getting gaffled.
Like Mark Twain said "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt"
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Very well said. I think this thread has a very important bearing judging the way it was developed. For purposes of educating our fellow forumers, I have changed the thread's status to a sticky. This will help our Forumers be aware that they should do their leg work in terms of knowing also the new promos that Bayan has to offer. After all Bayan does its part of advertising their new stuff. We might as well do our part as subscribers in knowing what new stuff they can provide us.TravellingNomad wrote:OP...there is no scam or fraud.
Mikos hit it right on the head with his last post. but out of his entire post this is the one and only line that is important.
"Remember we signed a contract"
And that's exactly why Bayantel will not, and even if they wanted to, COULD NOT change you plan pricing....because of the contract between you and their entity as far as your subscription is concerned. For the change to happen, both parties of the contract must agree. Now bayantel agreed by advertising the change in their plans. Now it's your turn to agree by calling them and telling them you want the new pricing plan.
Im no contract lawyer...but c'mon...lets have some common sense. we as adults deal with contracts in one way, shape or form daily. I bet you you wouldn't be rasing all the ruckus you're making it it was the other way around. Don't go blaming other people because were not paying attention to any promotions or changes that bayantel offers.
Yung asawa ko dyan sa pilipinas, we use their bayantel span service. but every couple of months, i check bayantel's website to see if there's anything new they are offering. kaya kahit wala ako dyan sa Pilipinas, alam ko mga prices ng services ng Bayantel. Do the leg work and research so you don't feel like you're getting gaffled.
Like Mark Twain said "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt"
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guys available na po ba ang bayantel dsl sa gagalingin tondo manila? .. pa 2long naman.
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RougedAssassin wrote:Account #: 332673556 Modem connected to router I just browse the bayantel website & bump into the new DSL plan rates... http://www.bayan.com.ph/lolatechie/images/mm0528.jpgI am currently using a 1.2mbs @ Php1699... It seems that i've been paying more for what im am subscribing, since the much higher speed (1.5mbps) on the new rates is Php200 cheaper...! I have spoken with a BayanDSL tech support, & was informed that to avail the new rates i need to downgrade/upgrade my account... I have checked the forums & read that if old subscribers does not downgrade/upgrade, old rates/speed still applies... duh... Is this not a scam...? If I have not been lurking around the bayantel site, i would have not known this... As read the new rates was already effective last March 15, 2010... For 3 months, I am paying more for less speed... Subscribers please inform others regarding this... lets take a sample para maintindihan mo po.. and hindi puro scam yung sinasabi mo lets say your Old plan eh merong ganitong features... like caller ID and call waiting... and your using both features now the new Plan arrived... but the new plan don't have Caller ID and Call waiting.... but much cheaper than your old Plan.. now.. if si Bayan will automatically convert all the subsciber under the new Plan do you think magugustuhan nila? I dont think so... maraming magagalit.. why? Some subscriber stick from their Old plan because of some features they have rather than to convert to new one... ngayon.. if you think na mas ok ang New plan then request for an Upgrade / Downgrade of Plan...wag po basta basta magsabi ng SCAM... intindihin po muna bago mag post..
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hi there mga sirs
newbie here , just want to ask if meorn po ba speed on demand ang ganitong plan from bayantel;
NetStarter 1Mbps Up to 768 Up to 1Mbps 1,399 Dynamic; static as per sub request max of 1 1
account number is 341426537
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oenone wrote:hi there mga sirs
newbie here , just want to ask if meorn po ba speed on demand ang ganitong plan from bayantel;
NetStarter 1Mbps Up to 768 Up to 1Mbps 1,399 Dynamic; static as per sub request max of 1 1
Netstarter is under Business DSL Plan. All of Business DSL plan has no speed on demand. Listed below are the plans who have speed on demand.
BayanDSL 768kbps - SOD is up to 1Mbps
BayanDSL 1Mbps - SOD is up to 1.5Mbps
BayanDSL 1.5Mbps - SOD is up to 2Mbps
BayanDSL 2Mbps - SOD is up to 2.5Mbps
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hello po mga sirs
i am asking for advise on which plan to choose , help me out please coz its my first time to subscribe to bayantel dsl
former globe kasi ako tapos i dont like the way globe handles their customers so i switched
now i am confused on what plan should i choose
NetStarter 1Mbps Up to 768 Up to 1Mbps 1,399
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Plan 1499 @1.5mbps ; 2.0mbps SOD
my purpose is downloading and online gaming
so anu po ba mas ayus na kukunin ko
that will at least satisfy my needs
thanks and god bless
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You already started a topic on this. Please refer to my reply there.
Please change your signature. We cannot allow any derogatory remarks against the competitors of BayanDSL, specially if they are named as this is a public forum maintained by BayanDSL.oenone wrote:hello po mga sirs
i am asking for advise on which plan to choose , help me out please coz its my first time to subscribe to bayantel dsl
former globe kasi ako tapos i dont like the way globe handles their customers so i switched
now i am confused on what plan should i choose
NetStarter 1Mbps Up to 768 Up to 1Mbps 1,399
or
Plan 1499 @1.5mbps ; 2.0mbps SOD
my purpose is downloading and online gaming
so anu po ba mas ayus na kukunin ko
that will at least satisfy my needs
thanks and god bless
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Mikos wrote:Any company offering any services to the public CANNOT change the plans of their subscribers when they introduce new products with new rates. It is only the subscriber that has the RIGHT to initiate the migration from the old plans into any of the new set of plans offered by the company since they are the ones paying for their subscription. Regardless of whether the rates are higher or lower, it is ONLY THE SUBSCRIBER (all caps for emphasis) that has the right to initiate the changes. If an ISP decides to migrate all their subscribers to the new plans automatically, this is done ONLY after all of their subscribers are informed thru advertisements, letters (included in the bill) and other media deemed appropriate in the law.
Ngayon lang ako nag request ng speed adjustment... di ko kasi alam na di pala automatic ang adjustment sa bayantel.
Ang current plan ko pala eh nasa 1399 na lang (net basic starter) pero bundled kasi phone at internet ko kaya 3360 pa rin ang monthly ko.
Nag request ako ng 7 days rebates (dahil wala kaming internet three weeks ago) at pina double ko na lang muna ang bandwidth namin to 2 mbps kasi, 3 months waiting pala kung mag da downgrade ng plan.
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Nde ko rin alam na ganito na wala man lang news at nde pa tlga naka post sa website man lang kundi sa forum pa tsk tsk tsk.... yung plan ko old plan, 1mb tapos 3,300 binabayaran ko tapos yung new plan 2mb tapos 2,500 lang binabayaran... tapos pumunta ako sa office kc papalitan ko sabi ba naman sa akin... plan name lang daw ang mabilis pero mabagal pa daw yan kaysa sa old plan ko na 1mb lang (take note network engineer pa nagsabi nito).... ano ba yun? tama tlga sinasabi ni rougeassassin... obvious naman.... kahit ito na lang "agreed speed is not met"... ano tawag dun? napaka simple...
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Asphire wrote:Nde ko rin alam na ganito na wala man lang news at nde pa tlga naka post sa website man lang kundi sa forum pa tsk tsk tsk.... yung plan ko old plan, 1mb tapos 3,300 binabayaran ko tapos yung new plan 2mb tapos 2,500 lang binabayaran... tapos pumunta ako sa office kc papalitan ko sabi ba naman sa akin... plan name lang daw ang mabilis pero mabagal pa daw yan kaysa sa old plan ko na 1mb lang (take note network engineer pa nagsabi nito).... ano ba yun? tama tlga sinasabi ni rougeassassin... obvious naman.... kahit ito na lang "agreed speed is not met"... ano tawag dun? napaka simple... The new plans were included in the flyers that came with my bill during that time. So how can you say that it was not even included? There is even website for this: www.lolatechie.com or www.bayan.com.ph/lolatechie. So before you start telling us that it is not even in the website of Bayan, you better think again because the website is up, and is functional.
Now why would we even believe your story when you do not even know how to follow the rules? It is in the rules that if you do have concerns regarding the DSL the account number should be included in your post. Ehem... Ikaw lang ata ang walang account number dito sa thread na ito, with the exception of the moderators. The Forum is only for valid subscribers. So where is your account number?
Bottom line, there is no point in believing what you posted here because you can't even follow simple rules.
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This includes requests for port resets, DSL connection footprints (ATT and SNRs), requests for technicians and repairs.
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alam ko po yung rules pero nde na kailangan pa ng account # just to say something dba at alam naman na ng karamihan..... tsaka lolatechie.com or www.bayan.com.ph/lolatechie? kaka check ko lang... asan po dun ang detailed info about new plan package at FAQ? ang nakita ko lang is residential... asan yung biznez? tsaka yung FAQ for changing from old to new plan wala din... nakapa basic na info pero wala dba? paki check po ulit baka mali ako ^_^ daming nagtatanong sa mga kakilala kong bayantel subscriber pero ang sabi nila "bat wala man lang silang sinabe na bago na pala ang packages at wala man lang info sa website ng bayantel.com.ph".... kung gusto mo po ng more info i would tell you the name of the engineer na nagsabe ng ganun... isnt that misguiding of what you are selling? ulitin ko lang sinabe nya "pangalan lang ang mabilis sa new packages, mas mabilis pa old plan mo" hmmm... 1mb(biznez line) ako tapos new plan 2mb na mas mura pa dba pero ang sabi nya mas mabilis pa daw luma kong 1mb connection... magpapa change plan sana ako pero sa sinabe nya na discourage ako... ayaw ko rin i try kc baka totoo nga at masira pa biznez ko (netcafe) example sabihin mabagal net ko then nde na sila ulit pupunta d2... isang araw na kita importante sa akin...
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