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It seems that my directive here before is not being heeded. Nobody is allowed to post any results of whatsoever test, unless the account number is included. Either that or the post gets deleted.
Thank you.
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Glasnost: Test if your ISP is shaping your traffic
Results for your host (110.55.179.51.bti.net.ph - 110.55.179.51):
Is your upload traffic rate limited?
There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your uploads.
Is your download traffic rate limited?
Your ISP appears to rate limit your downloads.
Details:
* Your ISP appears to rate limit your BitTorrent downloads. In our tests, downloads using control flows achieved up to 71 Kbps while downloads using BitTorrent achieved up to 17 Kbps.
* Your ISP appears to rate limit downloads on port 6881. In our tests, downloads on port 6881 achieved up to 17 Kbps while downloads on port 43579 achieved up to 13 Kbps.
sorry ngayon ko lang nalan, nilagay ko0 na yung account number ko
account number 341303435
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Acer Aspire 5715z
intel dual core T2390
3Gb Memory
Latest FireFox Browser
No other application connected to internet is running ( YM, Skype, uTorrent, ect...)
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I did not see it in your sig earlier. I did not see it either in your post. Otherwise, I would not have deleted it.
I will allow the posting of this, since this is a survey call. Although I already discussed at full length my repercussions regarding this test in my responses to tristoael.
Thanks for the feedback. I will bring this up with the other moderators.beef1234 wrote:Glasnost: Test if your ISP is shaping your traffic
Results for your host (110.55.179.51.bti.net.ph - 110.55.179.51):
Is your upload traffic rate limited?
There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your uploads.
Is your download traffic rate limited?
Your ISP appears to rate limit your downloads.
Details:
* Your ISP appears to rate limit your BitTorrent downloads. In our tests, downloads using control flows achieved up to 71 Kbps while downloads using BitTorrent achieved up to 17 Kbps.
* Your ISP appears to rate limit downloads on port 6881. In our tests, downloads on port 6881 achieved up to 17 Kbps while downloads on port 43579 achieved up to 13 Kbps.
sorry ngayon ko lang nalan, nilagay ko0 na yung account number ko
account number 341303435
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Im not sure how P2p Process that Port, kung single Request lang masasabi ko 17kb/s lang makukuha mo but kung Multiple Seeders 17kb/s Multiply ilang seeders.
I did use Utorrent for the sake sa Topic na to, ok naman siya, i can download 150kb/s to 300kb/s sa 3MBPS na Plan ko, if i disable Port forward to Specific Wan Port i Get 800kb/s. pero all depends on the Seeders kung ilan sila, ilan diin share na bandwidth para sa upload. on the other hand i dont like torrents dahil kusomo ng bandwidth. Sa cafe ko block lahat na P2P download. Kung sa Video Stream naman masasabi ko nasa 20kb/s lang download ko kasi i use Youtube Downloader. parating nagbabuffer.
Kung mag hihingi suggest and Bayantel sana mag improve sa video stream, kung sa torrent Ok kahit Limitahan.
Mayroon ding akong nabasa pag naka SOD ka sa Residential sa Gabi mabilis daw Torrent. why not download at those times.
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bayal po ba post ng Result -----> I did use Utorrent for the sake sa Topic na to, ok naman siya, i can download 150kb/s to 300kb/s sa 3MBPS na Plan ko, if i disable Port forward to Specific Wan Port i Get 800kb/s.
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Hindi lang Torrent ang mabaga sakin pati ang Direct download 30kbps lang
PS3 Update ang download ko nung umpisa pumalo ng 300kbps tapos naging 50 kbps hangang 30Kbps
Tungko naman sa Torrent 40 yung seeder, at sigurado ako na mas mabilis pa dapa yun
1 mbps nga pa lung plan ko
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TCP/Web100 Network Diagnostic Tool v5.5.4b
click START to begin
** Starting test 1 of 1 **
Connected to: ndt.anl.gov -- Using IPv4 address
Another client is currently being served, your test will begin within 45 seconds
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
checking for firewalls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client-to-server [C2S]) . . . . . 445.0kb/s <<<<<<< UPLOAD
running 10s inbound test (server-to-client [S2C]) . . . . . . 34.12kb/s <<<<<<< DOWNLOAD
Your PC is connected to a Cable/DSL modemTest ng Direct Downloadito yung pang test ko http://ndt.anl.gov/other resources http://compnetworking.about.com/od/speedtests/tp/Internet-download-speed-tests.htm
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If they measure the download correctly, 34.12 kb/s is equivalent to 409.44 kbps of transfer rate on the line. One is not expected to have 1 mbps as the full download capacity on the line. The average for which should be anywhere between 32kb/s up to 128kb/s. We also have to consider where the test server is located. Different conditions to and fro that server can affect the test results. Unless this is done in a controlled environment, there is really no telling the reliability of these tests.
This is the reason why until now I cannot comprehend why so many people would rely on such tests when in fact there are no guarantees to the conclusive nature of their results. There are just too many factors involved between the server doing the test, and the client where the line is being measured.
Again, this test you used is just one, not even conducted in a controlled environment. You will have to excuse me if I scrutinize the data. It seems my Philosophical and Technical training will not accept the results unless they be conducted in a manner that is systematic, and scientific. Of course, I do not expect you to be able to do that. This is precisely the reason why companies have their own servers to that can be used for testing. It is to isolate the line.
Further, if we are to look at the reality that we really do pay, we are paying for the capacity of the line. Download rates are affected by so many factors that of which are beyond the controls of the ISP. Let me site a good example here. DNNIWA, one of our Forumers, is subscribed to a private torrent tracker and does not seem to experience the lag that most people on public torrent trackers experience. AS many die hard fanatics of these kinds of test will say there is capping, yet they cannot explain the experience of other subscribers seemingly not affected. Preferential treatment? I doubt either. No ISP administrator in his right mind would actually do that as there are legal repercussions to it.
Further these kinds of problems can stem from so many things, both on the side of the ISP and beyond the network of the ISP which are uncontrollable. It think what is relevant here is to deal with the situation on as is where is basis and make the most out of it. After all there are many ways to kill the cat, much less solve a DSL problem on downloads as I have experienced with video streaming and surfing by simply tweaking the QoS of a new router. Again, what works for one may not necessarily be the elixir of another. To each his own as the mighty captain often quips.
Going on, I wonder what is the result of your speedtest.net run. You did not post the results here.
I do agree though with Xentar regarding P2P being capped. When too many subscribers on the same DSL node run P2P applications, it affects other customers connected to the same node and thus create problems. Thus many ISPs all over the world do control this. Not necessarily cap, but control it. Remember, we are not the only ones paying for the line. Bandwidth and the internet is a shared resource, and a finite one at that.
Just my 2 dimes on the post.beef1234 wrote:TCP/Web100 Network Diagnostic Tool v5.5.4b
click START to begin
** Starting test 1 of 1 **
Connected to: ndt.anl.gov -- Using IPv4 address
Another client is currently being served, your test will begin within 45 seconds
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
checking for firewalls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client-to-server [C2S]) . . . . . 445.0kb/s <<<<<<< UPLOAD
running 10s inbound test (server-to-client [S2C]) . . . . . . 34.12kb/s <<<<<<< DOWNLOAD
Your PC is connected to a Cable/DSL modemTest ng Direct Downloadito yung pang test ko http://ndt.anl.gov/other resources http://compnetworking.about.com/od/speedtests/tp/Internet-download-speed-tests.htm
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una
30 - 50 Kbps lang nalglalaro yung download ko,
sa megaupload, PS3 update, torrent(40 plus yung mga seeder), avast update, Download.com
note isa isa lang ang pag download ko hindiy saba sabay at direct download
pagalawa
ginawa ko lahat para masiguradong ma isolate ang test katulad ng
pagpatay sa firewall, P2P client , Update ng program, hindi surf ng net at hindi pag download nag kahit anuman
pagatlo
malayo nga yung server na pinag testsan ko e bat masmabilis yung upload kesa download, at pagalawang test ko nato , pareho ang sinasabi mabagal ang
download speed ko
about sa test result
IT ako alam kong hindi ganun ka accurate at madamin fators, pero hindi mo rin masasabi na mali ito
pero kung pareho pare ho ang resulta ibigsabihin tama, at google, at gamit na yan ng goverment sa ibang bansa
tungkol naman sa speedtest.net ito yung stat ko
download 1.25 Mbps
Upload .63 Mbps
Ping 56ms
10 30 PM nug nagtest ako
sa palagay ko hindi kasama sa capping ang speedtest.net kaya full speed ang nakukuha kong result
mag tetest ako sa office namin para ma compare ko
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Just to set the right tone on this post. My reply here is meant to explore the different possible causes of the problem that people are bringing up. I am not in no way removing the possibility that BayanDSL has something to do with it either. Nor am I in a position to give an official opinion on it. Rather, i ask the questions, simply because nobody seems to ask them. No matter how direct or blunt the questions perhaps, I will ask them simply because I see a need for it to be asked. All should be done in a fair mode of discussion where the questions be addressed. After all everyone seems to be so open on testing, I might as well as ask the questions regarding their validity. Data after all need to be validated and sifted even before it has to be believed.
Sir, did I mention in my previous post that you were downloading several items at the same time? Or did I merely state that downloads can be affected by many things and gave an attempt at a conversion as to what those data mean? Because if I remember it correctly, I did not say you were downloading stuff at the same time.
For the torrents, are you on a public or a private torrent tracker sir? Isn't there a known difference between a private torrent tracker and a public torrent tracker? How do you explain then a situation where in a private torrent tracker the problem is not experienced? So we can correctly claim now that since there is a problem on public torrent trackers there is capping done? If so, how come private torrent trackers do not experience the problem for some of our forumers? Can we correctly assume that when you use a public torrent tracker you use a different protocol that can be capped? Don't torrents use the same protocols regardless of what tracker you use, be it private or public?
You mentioned that you have 40+ seeders, do you know also how many leechers do you have in that torrent tracker you are connected to while downloading? Is knowing the number of seeders enough to guarantee that you will have a good download rate? How come some people say that when there is a disparity between your seeders and leechers you get to experience problems? Do you know the ratio of these things in the torrent site you are downloading from that it would be sufficient for you to say there is indeed capping being done? I am asking because you just mentioned the seeders when there are other factors that come into play in these kinds of things.beef1234 wrote:una
30 - 50 Kbps lang nalglalaro yung download ko,
sa megaupload, PS3 update, torrent(40 plus yung mga seeder), avast update, Download.com
note isa isa lang ang pag download ko hindiy saba sabay at direct download
So when you removed the programs like your P2P application, firewall etc, you already isolated the test? Or did you merely isolate the program used by the test? Or did you isolate the line by doing those things? Which one did you actually isolate, the test, the program or the line? Those are three different things. Can you consider then that what you did also isolated the line properly? And when we say isolate the line properly, it meant you took care also of the inter network factors that can compromise the test, if at all that is possible? The test you conducted, does it have the ability to detect how much data it present can be contaminated by inter network factors? Basing it on your test, can you absolutely claim for certain that indeed the test results you got are valid and conclusive? Did you use another program to validate your findings? Or you are merely relying on one set of results?
I am just asking the questions after all you guys seem so bent on believing these tests.beef1234 wrote:pagalawa
ginawa ko lahat para masiguradong ma isolate ang test katulad ng
pagpatay sa firewall, P2P client , Update ng program, hindi surf ng net at hindi pag download nag kahit anuman
Are you aware that the upload is the least traffic flow utilized by people on the web? While it is not common, there are people who utilizes the upload when they give out information on the web. However, majority of people use the downstream line more than the upstream.
Sir, just a lingering question: you conducted the test twice, but did anything in your PC change that would result to a different test result? Isn't it a given that when the environment does not change, the likelihood of getting the same results is higher? So again sir, may I know what controlled environment you used that way we can compare what should the values be? Other than your PC, did you use another machine to do the test for comparison? Did you use another connection of the same type like your residential line in your area for comparison? Do we have anything else used for doing the test for comparison?beef1234 wrote:pagatlo
malayo nga yung server na pinag testsan ko e bat masmabilis yung upload kesa download, at pagalawang test ko nato , pareho ang sinasabi mabagal ang
download speed ko
Well and good because you are an IT person. It simply means you know what you are doing. Just a question again, is the test you conducted conclusive and can provide data beyond reasonable doubt that we indeed have situation here that we can claim to be general for everyone who uses the same type of connection that you have? Do you have another test to validate it without the test being compromised by other inherent factors and to and fro the test server?
How do you explain also the situation that some subscribers find themselves into? In my case, I just used the QoS of my new router and my video streaming speed have changed. A friend did change some settings in his router and his downloads (P2P) applications gained momentum, so how do you explain that?
The test will probably give you the same results if the testing environment is more or less the same, but how do you explain the situation that by merely changing either the settings on the router or using a traffic shaping software (as I have seen some people do) changes the scenario? Do we still have the same results, experience wise? Do we still believe the tests results? How do you explain also that by using either a traffic shaping software of changing the settings in some routers changes the experience of some subscribers? Does the test you conducted cover this area where we can believe that what it presents can be considered conclusive and enough to explain what is really going on? Again, I am merely asking the questions.
And going further you mentioned this: "IT ako alam kong hindi ganun ka accurate at madamin fators, pero hindi mo rin masasabi na mali ito". If we already say that the results are not accurate and that there are many factors that can affect it, can we correctly assume also that the data presented is valid and correct? If we know that data can be compromised like you mentioned here, can we assume that the results you have is correct and the test is valid? Can we assume that results are also wrong since there is a big possibility that other factors have compromised the results? If we claim already that there are other factors that can affect the results, again, can we claim the test results we gained to be correct? You said: "pero hindi mo rin masasabi na mali ito", on what basis can we not claim that the results are wrong? Can you please provide them so that we can more or less look into it also and gauge what is really going on? Or are we merely believing data here without any validated proof or data that we can say to be conclusive?beef1234 wrote:about sa test result
IT ako alam kong hindi ganun ka accurate at madamin fators, pero hindi mo rin masasabi na mali ito
pero kung pareho pare ho ang resulta ibigsabihin tama, at google, at gamit na yan ng goverment sa ibang bansa
The test done using speedtest is within the loop of the ISP's network. Thus, the line is properly isolated from inter networking factors. Once you go out of the ISP's network, then things change as there are many factors that come into play already, including how your connection or a group of connections is routed.
I am just wondering, how come we have to ask the data from you before you posted this? Don't you think the stats of you line from speedtest should have been included in the results for comparison?
Again, I am just asking.beef1234 wrote:tungkol naman sa speedtest.net ito yung stat ko
download 1.25 Mbps
Upload .63 Mbps
Ping 56ms
10 30 PM nug nagtest ako
sa palagay ko hindi kasama sa capping ang speedtest.net kaya full speed ang nakukuha kong result
I really have to ask this. What relevance will the results from your office bring? Sir, are we aware that our offices might be using a different type of connection from the one we have at home? Are we also aware that our offices' connections may be routed differently from our connections at home? Are you aware sir that leased lines like the ones used by big corporations are routed differently from residential customers? Thus, are we aware also that since residential customers are routed differently from business customers like your office, the results will be different? So, what validation do we need to get from the test results you get from your office? That the leased lines are better than the residential lines? Isn't that a given already since big companies who use leased lines are paying more than the average residential customer?
Sir, just out of curiosity, do you know what type of connection does your company use for the office that we can come up with a valid comparison for the test results? In case your company uses a different type, perhaps a business leased line, can we correctly compare the results from a business line (that may be routed differently) with that of a residential line (like the one in your home)? Are we not making a mistake here by comparing results from two different products? And lastly, what merit will your test in the office bring? What relevant data shall it give? Are we making a valid comparison here in the first place?beef1234 wrote:mag tetest ako sa office namin para ma compare ko
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Sorry if I keep asking questions. By this time, people in the Forum should know already that I do not just accept information presented without proper validation. My training will simply not allow me to. Perhaps because there is a reason why I do not. Unless the data presented is properly validated and the questions answered, I doubt if I will ever believe these tests being presented. Of course my opinion here is just my opinion and BayanDSL is out of this. This is after all a Forum and we are all here for discussions. This is also a feedback mechanism for BayanDSL. I am certain that the technical people at BayanDSL already know these things.
Everyone will have to excuse me on this. Moderating is not just controlling what is posted as that can easily be done. But if we are to do that on the other hand, then the freedom of discussion is curtailed and the essence of a Forum is neglected if not killed in the process. Thus, we allow the posting of many things for purposes of discussion after all this is a feedback site, and a Forum.
Moderating also means the data presented is discussed, validated, sifted, sorted, and properly presented. And this is what we are doing in many situations in the Forum. A Forum should not only be a place of opinions, as it can also be a source of valid information. Using this approach, will also allow our members to be more responsible with their claims and their posts.
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Ang main problem kasi
Mabagal ang download ko
nasa 30 to 50 kbps
Avast virus update
Download.com
PS3 Update
mga Upload/Download site
lahat sila ng nasa 30 to 50 kbps
isa isa lang ang download nyan ah baka meron pumuna at controll enviroment sa kakayahan ko biilang costomer
Tungkol naman sa mga test
oo tataya ko ang pagiging .NET Programmer ko at CISCO Networking Certificate ko sa mga test na yan
tatanugin ko din yung mga network addmin kung meron kuwenta yung mga test
kaya nga ginawa ang mga test eh, kung wala naman kuwenta bat pa sila nag aaksaya ng server at connection resources pati pagalan nila
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First, why not address the questions I raised regarding the test you conducted earlier and where you posted your results? Do we have answers for those questions raised regarding your first test?
Second, if you have problems with your downloads, conducting the test was necessary to point that out in the first place? Where does the test you conducted earlier fit into all these? I understand your problem with the downloads, but exactly where does the test you presented earlier in your post fit into your over all search for answers? Can we not directly tell that we are having problems with our downloads?beef1234 wrote:Ang Pinaka main problem ko kasi kaya ako nag test ay and download speed ko nasa 30 to 50 Kbps lang
Sir, I also use Avast. How come my Avast automatically updates itself and it does so in seconds? Isn't it a given fact that Avast download very small virus definition updates as they have declared so in their forum? Please note though that I am not saying you do not have a problem. I am merely looking into the fact that you mentioned Avast here when it is a given that Avast is one of the most prolific Anti Virus software in terms of updating itself. Thus I ask the questions.
Have you made tracerts to the sites where you download from? Have you made ping tests to the sites you download from? Did you email them to the technical support hot line? Or you just relied again on the test you conducted earlier whose questions I raised have not yet been answered by you?beef1234 wrote:mag download ako nag avast virus deff. PS3 Update, Sa megaupload, bat sila lahat nag lalaro sa 30 to 50Kbps
Sir, exactly how did your friend control the environment for his PS3 update? Care to tell us his set up and how he did control the environment for your testing purposes? We would sure love to know how he controlled the factors that can compromise the test he made that way perhaps we can duplicate it in our own tests. How did you measure the download speed? What tools did you use? How did you validate your findings? What other tools or test did you utilize to validate this? After all you did control the environment for your download, thus can we assume that you also did use other tools? If so, what were they? In terms of the test you conducted earlier, what was different? What basis did you use that the data your friend got from this test you did is relevant and conclusive?beef1234 wrote:nag try ako mg pa download sa kaibigan at 200 kbps (1 Mbps ang plan nya PLDT) ang minimu speed nya kinontrol nya yung enviroment ps3 update yung pinadownload ko
I hope you do not mind my asking the questions. It just so happens I find some data missing in the post, thus I ask the questions.
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Yes lahat ng test ko ay puro download speed, Yes, satigin ko meron problema sa ISP Avast Upadate is 23 to 25 Mb yun offline update katulad ng ginawa ko firefox din yung gamit at walang tumatawag, nag dadownload, o ano paman gumagamit ng iternet maliban sa PS3 Update walang ibang too yung nakikita molang talagan download speed sa fire fox http://dus01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/image/us/2010_0727_00c835be718fc3d5f793e130a2b74217/PS3UPDAT.PUP167 MB yan wala magagawa ang ping test download speed ang problema ko normal naman ang ping test ko
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Sir, may I have one request? Why not answer the questions I raised earlier? Do we have answers for the questions I raised regarding your first test? What about the questions I raised in your second post? Do we have answers for them also?
As long as I see questions are avoided, I will keep asking them. This is after all a Forum and discussion is the agenda of the day.
This is your second post since I started asking you questions and you still have to answer any of the questions I raised. Are we evading something here?
May I know what test did you use for your download speed and whether such tests have been validated by other tools? May I also know your basis for saying that the ISP has a problem? May I know them please? Thank you.beef1234 wrote:Yes lahat ng test ko ay puro download speed,
Yes, satigin ko meron problema sa ISP
Just out of curiosity, you are connected to the web, but why do you need an offline update? Unless you will be updating a PC not connected to the internet. Of course that is beside the point. I was just curious.beef1234 wrote:Avast Upadate is 23 to 25 Mb yun offline update
So the one you mentioned earlier in your other post was just a small download made using firefox? Then why claim that the environment was controlled? Why say that your friend controlled the environment? Isn't that misleading? Kindly please address this because this is not right. You claim that the environment was controlled and now you tell us that it was just a Firefox download. Isn't that misleading? You say it was controlled then later on show us that it was not, thus I ask, what is the purpose now of telling us that it was controlled, that the environment was controlled? Your post is still there and it shows clearly that you stated it was controlled.
This was your post:beef1234 wrote:nag try ako mg pa download sa kaibigan at 200 kbps (1 Mbps ang plan nya PLDT) ang minimu speed nya kinontrol nya yung enviroment ps3 update yung pinadownload ko It was clear here that you stated that your friend controlled the environment for the download. Now you tell us that it was just a regular firefox download? Where are the controls there? What variables were controlled? Was there a control in the first place? If none, then why state that the environment was controlled? Please address this as this can be very misleading. Please note that as a moderator I can call your attention to clarify certain things in your post that can be misleading.
Ping measures latency. Latency is a factor in downloads. Therefore, it does not have anything to do with the download speed problem? Care to explain your point sir?
What about tracerts? Tracerts are known to check the hops that your data packet takes from your PC to the intended destination. It does show the latency in each hop. Therefore, this does not have anything to do with the problem with downloads when latency is the other factor in the condition of the line? How come other forumers well versed in downloads do check their pings and their latencies?
You say that your ping is normal? What are the ranges of your ping? What is their average? Did you ping the sites you download from?beef1234 wrote:wala magagawa ang ping test download speed ang problema ko
normal naman ang ping test ko
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Tungkol sa mga test ko
firefox download window, at yung mga tools na nakalagay sa forum na to
sinusukat nito yung mga download speed na connection ko
tungkol bat ko nasabing ISP ko ang problema
kasi nag test ng ibang ISP provider parehas 1mbps plan, ng download na PS3 update, ng oras
tungkol sa avast yes nag upupdate ako sa ibang offline PC
Fire fox diba makikita monaman yung speed ng download sa firefox, yun lang simple lang, regular direct download lang
Controll enviroment kasi walang ibang naka konecta sa internet maliban sa isang download
ping dus01.ps3.update.playstation.net
Average : 332ms
tinamad na ako mg type
ano ba yung main question mo?
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Sir I was asking what test did you use. May I know what test were those? You are not addressing my point here. So if I say I have a 12 mbps line you will just believe that? You know better than that. What were the results and how was it validated?beef1234 wrote:Tungkol sa mga test ko
sinusukat nito yung mga download speed na connection ko
Did you use the same PC? Or you used your friend's? Now I still have to remind you that you have a pending explanation. Remember you stated the environment was controlled by your friend. I still have to hear your side on this as your post can be very misleading. Stating that something is controlled only to state otherwise later is misleading. As a moderator, I cannot allow that.
Controlled na ba yun Sir? How sure are you na walang ibang naka konek sa internet? So therefore, if I say that I only use Google Chrome to test the surfing speed, and only Google Chrome is the one running, it is already a controlled environment? Sir you stated, the environment was controlled. Do you know what that means? So when you just run one program you already controlled the testing environment? Just opening one program is already controlling the environment? What were the controls you used? What variables did you manipulate to say that indeed it was a controlled environment? If you say it is the ISP, what else did you use to confirm your initial findings? Just one test or download?
Most importantly have you consulted the technical support hot line on this already? Have you emailed them your tracerts and your ping tests to the sites you download from?beef1234 wrote:tungkol bat ko nasabing ISP ko ang problema
kasi nag test ng ibang ISP provider parehas 1mbps plan, ng download na PS3 update, ng oras
Fire fox diba makikita monaman yung speed ng download sa firefox, yun lang simple lang, regular direct download lang
Controll enviroment kasi walang ibang naka konecta sa internet maliban sa isang download
Then why be in a discussion or in a Forum if you are too lazy to type?
Surprise. I did ping that site. I also get 330ms average. I tried to download from that site. I do have an average of 167kb/s up to 187kb/s download rate. At that speed it will take 10-13 minutes for me to complete the download. I am on a 1.5 mbps Plan. It is well within what I am paying for. Now is that capping? How do you explain then that it is the ISP that has the problem? We are on the same ISP and yet we get near results from the one you used in your friend (which I doubt is not controlled as you claimed it be earlier). And yes Sir, I did not control the environment. It is on a free reign. I need not to since I am not suspicious of my line thus there is no need and the data I got is within the average for my connection May I add that I am also on a wireless connection via a router.
I am not saying you do not have a problem. I am merely asking questions regarding how you came up with your conclusion. After all this is a survey thread, and not a thread concerning your problem. There is an overall discussion going on here, that of which is the theme and topic of the thread. If this was your thread, I would have asked the questions differently.beef1234 wrote:ping dus01.ps3.update.playstation.net
Average : 332ms
tinamad na ako mg type
Wow! I have asked so many questions already and you have to ask this? Remember sir you posted results from a test. I started asking questions. Sad to say you still have to answer them. Why not go back to my post where I pieced out your posts and read the questions? It is actually there.
My main question: are your test valid and conclusive? After all you posted results. None so far in this thread answered that question.beef1234 wrote:ano ba yung main question mo?
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hahahahh galit ka? conroll enviroment is not misleading i state what step i take to contoll and as a costumer i think this all i can do to control the other factors, see previous post naka post naman, pati yung result http://ndt.anl.gov/ yung pagalawang test ko\ other PC, ng friend ko wag mong sabihin yung pc ko meron problema pati yung download ko sa PS3 console ko ang bagal natapos ko na y ung isang episode ng Family Guy 5 percent palang yung na dadownload note puwede update ang PS3 sa pamamagitan ng PC o yung PS3 mismo isa pa 167mb yung update i try mo yung mg test na ka post tapos post mo dito yung result mo para makita ng iba nakalimutan ko sagutin yung main question mo YES,
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Bakit ako magagalit? Hindi naman ako yung umiiwas sa mga tanong di ba? Sir, ang dami ko nang naitanong sa inyo, bakit wala kayong masagot? Pwedeng paki explain? Baka kayo ang galit sir kasi wala kayong masagot sa mga tanong ko? Kasi kung meron kayong sagot, bakit di niyo ipost? Nakaka ilang post na kayo pero wala kayong sagot sa mga tanong ko? Are you evading my questions? So sino ang galit? Hehehehe... I need not provide a pretty obvious answer. Hehehehe....beef1234 wrote:hahahahh galit ka?
What did you control? You just informed us that you just ran Firefox ALONE, and measured the download. Are you aware that there are so many things inside a PC that can affect it? You did not even mention if there were download accelerators and you tell me it was a controlled environment? Sir have you seen a lab report? Have you seen a controlled environment? Of course I will not expect you to know that. You are a subscriber like me. Then why still say that your friend controlled the environment? You still have to address the questions I raised about that. Please take note, it was not me who declared it was a controlled environment, it was you.beef1234 wrote:conroll enviroment is not misleading i state what step i take to contoll and as a costumer i think this all i can do to control the other factors,
I am not saying anything, nor am I claiming anything. Please do not put words in my mouth or assume that I will be stating things. Unless it is stated in my post, I did not say it.
Remember sir, WALA KA PANG SINASAGOT (all caps meant for further emphasis) sa mga tanong ko. You still have to prove the validity of your point here. Again, why does it take me download faster than you do? You say it is the ISP? Have you consulted this with the technical support hot line? What have they said? What have you done other than do the test you did earlier that you cannot answer the questions I raised?beef1234 wrote:see previous post naka post naman, pati yung result http://ndt.anl.gov/ yung pagalawang test ko\ other PC, ng friend ko wag mong sabihin yung pc ko meron problema pati yung download ko sa PS3 console ko ang bagal natapos ko na y ung isang episode ng Family Guy 5 percent palang yung na dadownload note puwede update ang PS3 sa pamamagitan ng PC o yung PS3 mismo isa pa 167mb yung update
Why would I test my line when I do not have a problem with it? Do you know the maxim that he who accuses has the burden of proof? Sino ba ang nagsasabi dito na me problem sa ISP at sa connection when it comes to downloading and video streaming? Definitely it is not me. So why do I have to run the test when I do not have issues with my line? I am not the one who has the burden of proof here. Kayo ang me burden of proof. I am merely asking the questions. beef1234 wrote:i try mo yung mg test na ka post tapos post mo dito yung result mo para makita ng iba
Sir kung valid at conclusive yung test na ginawa niyo, bakit di niyo masagot yung mga tanong ko pertaining to its validity and conclusiveness? Care to explain? A simple Yes will not suffice. You still have to explain bakit siya valid at conclusive. Again, kung talagang valid at conclusive yung test niyo bakit di niyo masagot yung mga tanong ko?beef1234 wrote:nakalimutan ko sagutin yung main question mo
YES,
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"are your test valid and conclusive?" diba yes and no lang ang sagot dito? Direct download Firefox lang pinapapost kolang yung result mo para meron pagcomparan ng tamang connection diba?
Parang Speedtest.net
http://www.bandwidthplace.com/
Last Result:
Download Speed: 387 kbps (48.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 594 kbps (74.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Monday, August 30, 2010 1:49:42 PMhahahah popost konalang ulit yung mga result ko ok lang ba yun? gamit yung mga test tool sa forum na to ok lang ba yun? nakalimutan ko pala ang maga test tool dito ay ginawa para sa mga ordanaryong user paramalam nila kung meron capping kaya hindi mo nakailagan todo isolate ang mga factors sa internet speed
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So if someone asks that there is a boojam and the answer is YES, we have to believe it?
Good job! 
Still how come you cannot answer the questions I raised regarding the validity of your test. You answered YES di ba? So bakit di mo masagot? Care to explain?beef1234 wrote:"are your test valid and conclusive?"
diba yes and no lang ang sagot dito?
Is that the same as a controlled environment?beef1234 wrote:Direct download Firefox lang
Sir do you know what burden of proof means? Am I the one saying there is a problem? So why do I have to do the test? Address my questions point by point then perhaps I will give in to your request. But as long as you keep evading my questions, I am sorry. Prove to me first by answering my questions before you request me to do anything. You have not satisfied any of my questions so why should I oblige with yours? After all, I am not the one who cried wolf here. It is you. Do you know what I mean by these things? Or perhaps you are guessing?
Please answer the questions raised, otherwise, I will be bound to limit what can be posted in this thread by you. Thank you.beef1324 wrote:pinapapost kolang yung result mo para meron pagcomparan
ng tamang connection diba?
Nice trick. You edit your previous post. Like we cannot edit your post also.
Do you know what the word redundant means? You already posted your results before. So why post it again? What merit would that bring when you have not addressed the questions initially raised against it?
This is a Forum. We do not have tools for those things. Why do you expect a forum to have tools like that? Are we a technical support center? Isn't that common sense?beef1234 wrote:hahahah popost konalang ulit yung mga result ko ok lang ba yun?
gamit yung mga test tool sa forum na to ok lang ba yun?
So therefore if they were made to be used by the ordinary person the results coming from the test is valid and conclusive? Let me give you another example: so just because one company developed a medicine for an ailment it is already the cure for the ailment? Was I asking only for the isolation of the line? I did ask for another tool to validate the findings didn't I? How many tools did you use Sir? You only used one, right? Just one test.
Going further, I did give examples that you otherwise did not address. I asked politely whether the test covers the different scenarios that other Forumers are experiencing and you did not answer it. So who is evading what? Who is merely creating problems and who is providing an academic solution? Is it you?
Furthemore, this is a Forum Sir. We are here for discussions. That means all the data presented here can be scrutinized by the moderators. I just started scrutinizing yours. So again, just because a tool was designed like that, its results are valid and conclusive without any need for other tools to validate it? If you know the answers Sir and if you have a solid and valid basis, why not answer the questions? That is all I am asking. So far the only thing I have seen you do is evade them.beef1234 wrote:nakalimutan ko pala ang maga test tool dito ay ginawa para sa mga ordanaryong user paramalam nila kung meron capping
kaya hindi mo nakailagan todo isolate ang mga factors sa internet speed
Frankly I need not ask the questions anymore. The fact that you cannot answer the points I raised only goes to show you are not prepared, much less your claims hold any water. Therefore, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM POSTING FURTHER if you cannot address the questions raised concerning your post. Unless you can provide new and relevant information that will help us resolve the problem, you are hereby advised to refrain from posting further unless you address the questions initially raised on your previous post. Are we perfectly clear on this?
Please take note that moderators are the final say on what is within the standards of the community. You still have to address the questions I raised and since you refuse to answer them, it is no longer productive. Post coming from you beef1234 that does not comply with this directive set on you will be automatically deleted.
Should you want to further discuss your problem with the downloads and video streaming, please feel free to start your own thread. That way the discussion can take a different route. This thread is not the appropriate venue to discuss your problem. If you noticed, my questions were directed and were on a different level.
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Your posting of the previous test results that you posted still does not address the questions I raised. You only used one test for the line, and not even in a controlled environment. Nor did you use any other tool to validate it. So if you cannot address the questions I raised against those test results you posted previously, please stop posting in this thread unless you have other data that can help with the discussion. You have consistently evaded my questioning and did not address the questions rallied on your post. Such practice is no longer helpful to the discussion at hand. Please take note that this is a Forum, a place for discussions. And discussions that are not productive are curtailed.
Are we perfectly clear on this?
Thank you.
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